週一 7月 02, 2007 1:18 am
少革是部很棒的動畫 劇情的深度跟華麗的動作場景流暢
主題是將自己化身王子的少女發動世界革命改變命運的故事
劇場版跟電視版主題跟寓意略有差別 人物之間的關聯及故事在電視版有較清楚的詳述
而革命的主線在劇場版較清楚而突出
這部動畫曾獲頒獎項，謎度與EVA並列XD(很多謎阿!!!)
在拜見英語劇場版(電影版)後 內心受到許多啟發跟激勵，也對故事主體更有想法，
以下是我在網路上看到很不錯的討論(中文部分為小人淺譯) 主要是針對電影版部份的許多隱喻跟譬喻的討論跟分享^^ 如果有興趣的朋友有機會接觸此部經典作品，希望以下的心得分享可以引起你更多共鳴^^ 也希望大家可以一起share討論
安希就像個國家，大家透過決鬥(戰爭)來奪取，而歐蒂那就是那個打破決鬥理由:奪取的榮耀是虛幻的!(國家只是國家，他並沒有魔力或是任何的權利，大家追求的只是虛幻的榮耀)
離開這充滿幻想的世界投抱自由後，並不是一切就為你鋪陳好美好的未來，你必須自己開創自己生命，因為未來是要靠你自己創造的。
Utena = Reason. Duels = Wars. Anthy = A country or prize the war is about. The wars become meaningless when reason shows them that there is naught to be needed of the prize. They leave the fantasy that is crushing their freedom, to find a new world to live in. But the way there is not laid out before you. You must work, hard, to get to where peace and bliss reign. You must make your own roads. Thats what I get from this, and I find it to be an incredibly profound message.
影片中的裸體代表角色的真實面，當米奇赤裸時，他告訴kozue他想離開她生活；當安希赤裸時，她展示了她內心的巨大空洞；當歐蒂那跟安希赤裸時(最後面腳踏車橋段)，代表她們新世界的重生。
Nudity only shows up in the movie to represent the characters in their true light. When Miki's naked, he told Kozue how he wants to move on without her. When Anthy's naked, she shows the giant hole in her chest. When Utena and Anthy's naked, like in the car ride, it represents how they're reborn in the new world they've discovered.
有些角色只有短短的出現就消逝，簡單的來解釋，他們是幫助那些主要角色們了解他們內心真正的渴望跟感受，推使他們發動自己的革命，互相成為各段落銜接的橋段。
Some of the characters that just show up out of nowhere and disappear all of the sudden. It'd probably be easier to treat them as an idea rather than actual characters. Ideas that supposedly helped the MAIN characters realized their true desires and motives, propelling them to the revolution they'll take, bridging one plot after another all for this beautifully gnostic ending.
倒吊的城堡並不是真的存在天空，而是水面的倒影。
湖水是當初王子死亡的地方，藉著投入水中加入那個幻想中有王子的城堡。
人可能一直活在過去的倒影當中，雖然他還活著，但不是為她自己的未來而存在。
remember the castle? It was never even truly in the "sky", it was just reflected on the water, upside down.
Water is where the "prince" died, and so by jumping into the water to try and join him in an imaginary castle,
one would kill themselves also, living in a past reflection, thus, "dead while still alive, by not living for themselves, the present, or future."
影片中有兩個冬芽，一個是SHRIORI的，另一個則是歐蒂納的，兩個都是回憶構成的都不是真實。(事實上冬芽早已在幼時一場意外中長眠)
In this movie there are TWO Tougas. One appears to Shiori, the other to Utena. Neither are the real Touga, as the real Touga is long dead. In truth, both are ghosts made up of memories. One Touga is made up of Shiori's memories, the other of Utena's. End of Explanation.
當你第一次擁有車子時，不覺得有長大的感覺嗎?
劇集裡akio想送冬芽車子，但冬芽卻因為年紀的問題回絕，兩者形成對比。
didn't you feel like a grown-up when you get your first car???
Yep! I remember in the series, Akio offers Touga the car, and he was a bit reluctant to take it because of the age thing, which makes him small comparing to Akio.
亂倫的醜聞結果並不是安希害死了akio 而是發現安希一直保持清醒的AKIO(原本安眠藥是要讓安希吃)驚嚇之餘 在囈語當中不慎墜落死亡
In order to 'erase' the evidence of incest, he stabbed Anthy (in the same spot the hole is shown in the silhouette and Utena removes the sword for duels). Akio was at the point where the drug made him pass out when he opened the window and fell.
歐蒂那跟安希都說他們夥伴都是是背負殺害自己的王子的罪人；在那個學校裡，每個人都困在愛的陷阱裡尋找他們心目中的王子。也因此歐蒂那才能在那裡碰到了冬芽，也因此忘記了冬芽死亡的事實。
I belive by the end that touga is dead, when they said they were partners in crime for killing there princes. Also im thinking that every one at the school are traped in love or jelosy(shiori) looking for there perfect "prince" so thats why utena could see touga, and why she forgot he died.
Im begining to like this movie mor than the show, but there both so wonderfull~ To the book store for the manga!
歐蒂那跟安希在劇集裏都打破了屬於她們的棺材，電影裡的稻草人跟名牌也就像是代替他們自身成為投奔自由的替代品(留在那個虛幻的世界是他們的替身)
Both Utena and Anthy have broken out of their "coffins" as they put it in the series. The broom and name tag go with that breaking free from the old world and I think they might have been their subconscience selves helping them break through.
附註個人感想 : 當安希下定決心時，化身跑車的歐蒂納渙然一新，我想代表當你真正下定決心時，堅強可以克服一切困難給你最堅固的屏障跟勇氣去開創未來。
而內心的魔鬼只有在自己堅強意志下才能從心裡撤底打破。(與過去的陰影道別)
逃跑的城堡我覺得很有意思，
當快到出口時，
代表出口的城堡卻逃跑了。
在最後，那個揮之不去的王子還勸你放棄回到原本的世界；
但是當你真正鼓起勇氣突破後 那些都只是玫瑰花叢建立起的幻像。
主題是將自己化身王子的少女發動世界革命改變命運的故事
劇場版跟電視版主題跟寓意略有差別 人物之間的關聯及故事在電視版有較清楚的詳述
而革命的主線在劇場版較清楚而突出
這部動畫曾獲頒獎項，謎度與EVA並列XD(很多謎阿!!!)
在拜見英語劇場版(電影版)後 內心受到許多啟發跟激勵，也對故事主體更有想法，
以下是我在網路上看到很不錯的討論(中文部分為小人淺譯) 主要是針對電影版部份的許多隱喻跟譬喻的討論跟分享^^ 如果有興趣的朋友有機會接觸此部經典作品，希望以下的心得分享可以引起你更多共鳴^^ 也希望大家可以一起share討論
安希就像個國家，大家透過決鬥(戰爭)來奪取，而歐蒂那就是那個打破決鬥理由:奪取的榮耀是虛幻的!(國家只是國家，他並沒有魔力或是任何的權利，大家追求的只是虛幻的榮耀)
離開這充滿幻想的世界投抱自由後，並不是一切就為你鋪陳好美好的未來，你必須自己開創自己生命，因為未來是要靠你自己創造的。
Utena = Reason. Duels = Wars. Anthy = A country or prize the war is about. The wars become meaningless when reason shows them that there is naught to be needed of the prize. They leave the fantasy that is crushing their freedom, to find a new world to live in. But the way there is not laid out before you. You must work, hard, to get to where peace and bliss reign. You must make your own roads. Thats what I get from this, and I find it to be an incredibly profound message.
影片中的裸體代表角色的真實面，當米奇赤裸時，他告訴kozue他想離開她生活；當安希赤裸時，她展示了她內心的巨大空洞；當歐蒂那跟安希赤裸時(最後面腳踏車橋段)，代表她們新世界的重生。
Nudity only shows up in the movie to represent the characters in their true light. When Miki's naked, he told Kozue how he wants to move on without her. When Anthy's naked, she shows the giant hole in her chest. When Utena and Anthy's naked, like in the car ride, it represents how they're reborn in the new world they've discovered.
有些角色只有短短的出現就消逝，簡單的來解釋，他們是幫助那些主要角色們了解他們內心真正的渴望跟感受，推使他們發動自己的革命，互相成為各段落銜接的橋段。
Some of the characters that just show up out of nowhere and disappear all of the sudden. It'd probably be easier to treat them as an idea rather than actual characters. Ideas that supposedly helped the MAIN characters realized their true desires and motives, propelling them to the revolution they'll take, bridging one plot after another all for this beautifully gnostic ending.
倒吊的城堡並不是真的存在天空，而是水面的倒影。
湖水是當初王子死亡的地方，藉著投入水中加入那個幻想中有王子的城堡。
人可能一直活在過去的倒影當中，雖然他還活著，但不是為她自己的未來而存在。
remember the castle? It was never even truly in the "sky", it was just reflected on the water, upside down.
Water is where the "prince" died, and so by jumping into the water to try and join him in an imaginary castle,
one would kill themselves also, living in a past reflection, thus, "dead while still alive, by not living for themselves, the present, or future."
影片中有兩個冬芽，一個是SHRIORI的，另一個則是歐蒂納的，兩個都是回憶構成的都不是真實。(事實上冬芽早已在幼時一場意外中長眠)
In this movie there are TWO Tougas. One appears to Shiori, the other to Utena. Neither are the real Touga, as the real Touga is long dead. In truth, both are ghosts made up of memories. One Touga is made up of Shiori's memories, the other of Utena's. End of Explanation.
當你第一次擁有車子時，不覺得有長大的感覺嗎?
劇集裡akio想送冬芽車子，但冬芽卻因為年紀的問題回絕，兩者形成對比。
didn't you feel like a grown-up when you get your first car???
Yep! I remember in the series, Akio offers Touga the car, and he was a bit reluctant to take it because of the age thing, which makes him small comparing to Akio.
亂倫的醜聞結果並不是安希害死了akio 而是發現安希一直保持清醒的AKIO(原本安眠藥是要讓安希吃)驚嚇之餘 在囈語當中不慎墜落死亡
In order to 'erase' the evidence of incest, he stabbed Anthy (in the same spot the hole is shown in the silhouette and Utena removes the sword for duels). Akio was at the point where the drug made him pass out when he opened the window and fell.
歐蒂那跟安希都說他們夥伴都是是背負殺害自己的王子的罪人；在那個學校裡，每個人都困在愛的陷阱裡尋找他們心目中的王子。也因此歐蒂那才能在那裡碰到了冬芽，也因此忘記了冬芽死亡的事實。
I belive by the end that touga is dead, when they said they were partners in crime for killing there princes. Also im thinking that every one at the school are traped in love or jelosy(shiori) looking for there perfect "prince" so thats why utena could see touga, and why she forgot he died.
Im begining to like this movie mor than the show, but there both so wonderfull~ To the book store for the manga!
歐蒂那跟安希在劇集裏都打破了屬於她們的棺材，電影裡的稻草人跟名牌也就像是代替他們自身成為投奔自由的替代品(留在那個虛幻的世界是他們的替身)
Both Utena and Anthy have broken out of their "coffins" as they put it in the series. The broom and name tag go with that breaking free from the old world and I think they might have been their subconscience selves helping them break through.
附註個人感想 : 當安希下定決心時，化身跑車的歐蒂納渙然一新，我想代表當你真正下定決心時，堅強可以克服一切困難給你最堅固的屏障跟勇氣去開創未來。
而內心的魔鬼只有在自己堅強意志下才能從心裡撤底打破。(與過去的陰影道別)
逃跑的城堡我覺得很有意思，
當快到出口時，
代表出口的城堡卻逃跑了。
在最後，那個揮之不去的王子還勸你放棄回到原本的世界；
但是當你真正鼓起勇氣突破後 那些都只是玫瑰花叢建立起的幻像。
